OBAMA FACEBOOK COMMENTS PART 1

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In this video: King and Amara

Zeitgeist:
“The defining spirit or mood of a particular period of history”I was asked to edit this video that is a vision that comes from three londonersKing, Len Folkes and Peter Sadler who were moved by the election of Barack Obama to write this song and record it, then gathered their family members together for a video shoot – we supplemented this footage by going out onto the streets of Brixton and asked people if they could say one word to Obama, what it would be. They then wrote it on a piece of paper and we filmed them.

It was a race to the finishing line to get it finished in time for the inauguration 4 days and nights and we completed just before Obama took his oath

Thanks to everyone who made this possible especially
Patrick Henningsen for his help in the streets of Brixton

This was written by Len Folkes the visionary for this project:”Obama symbolises and represents the great call and urgency on the part of billions of people throughout the world for change.

Through our conscious election of Obama, we are inspired towards self-action to building new
found bridges of human co-operation,respect and dignity. In a sentence, a new achievement for humankind” .

………………. Len Folkes (visionary for this video)

enjoy
🙂
brian

1+1=11
We Are S.Y.N.E.R.G.Y

Brian Viziondanz at 20:54 on 24 January
Zeitgeist: “The defining spirit or mood of a particular period of history” I was asked to edit this video – a vision from 3 ordinary people who were moved by the election of Barack Obama to write and record this song, then gathered their family members for a video shoot – we supplemented this footage by going onto the streets of Brixton asking people to say one word to Obama, what it would be & write it on a piece of paper & we filmed them.It was a race to the finishing line to finish in time for the inauguration 4 days and nights, we completed just before Obama took his oath

“Obama symbolises & represents the great call and urgency on the part of billions of people
throughout the world for change.

Through our conscious election of Obama,
we are inspired towards self-action to building new
found bridges of human co-operation,respect and dignity. In a sentence, a new achievement for humankind” .
Len Folkes (visionary for this vid

Aviva Vividsoundz at 16:07 on 25 January
oh please!!! this is a guy who has spoken big words of change.. but he has never said anything about what the change is.. vacuous words… please be wary of this guy – he is not the bringer of hope we believe he is… he is just another puppet president , serving the agenda… false illusions of hope.. get over it.. the change is only going to come from within us…!!!
Brian Viziondanz at 16:18 on 25 January
well it is an unknown, but i agrre that change has to take place within each one of us and as it does, it will show up in the external world.we have been working on change within for a long time now, maybe this IS the beginning of it showing up in our external politic – maybe?maybe not, we just don’t know, but what we do know is that obama is here and is the president of the usa and in that role he weilds tremendous power globally for better or worse – someone was going to take the job, so surely its more powerful to have a positive attitude and embrace possibilty than it is to live in fear and negativity.

what will that achieve, its fear and negativity that has brought the world to the brink – i reserve judgement on obama, i don’t believe he is a hippy or a peacenik – he is a product of our times and has inherited a very challenging situation, he can get much further down the road with our support than he can with just the support of the warmongers of this world

Aviva Vividsoundz at 16:37 on 25 January
don’t mean to be down on your video… your brilliant at what your doin… just wanna say.. keep an open mind bout it… I personally don’t beleive he has any power.. its the same force behind him that was behind George Bush and all the other presidents.. this one just has a more likeable facade… there is positivity in the world.. but it lies in each of us taking our own power.. not givin it to some guy who has so far been all words and no action…
Brian Viziondanz at 16:46 on 25 January
give the man a chance, he has only been there a few days, someone has to drive the car otherwise it will be complete chaos – imagine if all the worlds administators decided tomorrow to give it all up.
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Sirius Lee at 16:58 on 25 January
obama is an other and very clever illusion,, who’s task is re create the mask of america while the real damage has allready been done,, people seem to have short memories and hope in world that can only be changed by the belief and action of all people, not from one man alone… he has a chance,, but as aviva says,, opium of the masses is HOPE, and that is very dangerous.
Patrick James Henningsen at 17:54 on 25 January
I agree… people should be careful not to get drunk on political rhetoric and abstract terms like HOPE, CHANGE etc. These exact words have been employed in the past by a number of successful dictators and fascist heroes throughout history.People need to remember that a President can only dispense words. The people, in the end, hold the real power to inact change in policy. If the Anglo-American hegemony ever reverses its damaging foreign policies- it will be because the PEOPLE- not the President, demand such change. We must not forget our responsibilities as citizens.Governments have NEVER supplied freedom and liberty in history… only PEOPLE have done this. Don’t ever forget it.
Sirius Lee at 18:00 on 25 January
3,000 tonnes of unknown ammo has just been deployes to iran with a new radar system…. get the drift…
Sirius Lee at 18:04 on 25 January
apologies, the shipment is destined for Israel,, the point of vision of the one manned automatic car is IRan,, so be aware,, the illusion is allways to move behind the lines with distraction of the masses,, they are playing the same trick again and again,,
Aviva Vividsoundz at 21:09 on 25 January
I don’t need to give him a chance – I see through the facade, I know where the real power lies and I have no delusions about what their agenda is.. Obama is a pawn in their game….. a false promise of hope in order to seduce people into giving up more freedom… the guy who is probably gonna be bringing in the new world order… we need to be wary and stop this naiveity that he is somehow our saviour.. I feel like the sheep who is aware that the trucks that are coming are taking you to the slaughter house and you think your goin for a nice ride ….
Sirius Lee at 22:24 on 25 January
you need to be razer sharp,, not a follower, this is a time for leading yourselves in the face of adversity,, fish swim up stream,, dead fish go with it…. become the fire and you wont burn… that is the way of today, anything else is dillusion,, so if one is awake look to reality not dreams,,,
Patrick James Henningsen at 01:16 on 26 January
Word to that. Nicely said Sirius.
Brian Viziondanz at 09:33 on 26 January
the point is that in the realpolitk, on the grpound, outside of all our theories which could be correct or in correct, there is a political structure that administers the affairs of our global culkture, if we completely ignore this and rfuse to participate and even undermine the positivity of the culture regarding this, we leave the structure open to be preyed upon by a faction of the culture that represents the darker side of human nature.we lightworkers are the leading edge of evolved consciousness and i believe that its up to us to bring that conciousness to the table on every level of our civilistion including the political structure , we have become knee jerk in our reaction to the establishement.allisone and in that understanding, it is all important and it all requires our service.

negativity spreads like a diease and i believe that it is irresponsible to feed that fire in these times especially when positivity is vital to the recovery of the culture.
cont …

Brian Viziondanz at 09:37 on 26 January
i don’t believe that any one person can save me or the world, we are all in this together. obama is part of the mix , we are all playing out different roles. if you believe its all dammed and going to hell, you have abandoned thge belief that the human heart in essence is good.every human heart can turn and come to the light, no matter how lost in the darkness it may be.
“never underestimate the power of epiphany”
🙂
Patrick James Henningsen at 11:22 on 26 January
I agree with you Brian whole heartedly. But I truly believe that some of the previous comments a valid too. There is also a role for those of us as “keeper of the lighthouse” (or firehouse) and there are times in the affairs of men that the alarm must be raised. If my building is burning down and I shout to all of my neighbors, “Look, it’s a fire! Get out!”, by raising the alarm, I am not being negative, I am simply warning my neighbors because I don’t want them to perish.I believe that the powers that be will stop at nothing- except if people stop them, to have a most insideous agenda met worldwide. This is not a conspiracy theory, it is a ‘conspiracy reality’. The evidence is all around us. So some of us lightworkers must also wield a sword in defense of humanity, and the soul of humanity is the ultimate target of the One World Order agenda. The ‘scientific dictatorship’ or ‘neo-feudalism’. Whatever the name, it’s not for us.Obama should serve the people, and no one else.
Mecis Sam Caria at 12:10 on 26 January
Fuckin Rockefeller !!!!! Haven’t they got enough money ????
Patrick James Henningsen at 13:25 on 26 January
Mecis! Easy on the language, there may be kids reading this…They’ve got more money than they can possibly spend. No, it’s power which is their aphrodisiac.The characters are only part of this story. You would do better to know how the system is designed… study it.
Paul Maple at 14:04 on 26 January
…only time will tell! I’m going for the positive at the moment until i’m proved different as that possibility definitely exists 🙂 * bend the system not break it * evolution not revolution…
Patrick James Henningsen at 15:18 on 26 January
I just got back from America and I can tell that after Bush, Obama and McCain pushed through the banker bailout ($8.5 trillion so far…) a lot of Americans divided on where these politicians’ loyalties really lay. High crimes. The economic storm is just beginning. Obama’s Secretary of State Hillary Clinton just congratulated Israel for the seige in Gaza and made a pact to isolate Iran this week- so no change there. If the “Change” we want is peace and an end to all the illegal military occupations, then that “Change” is not going to happen anytime soon, judging by Obama’s Admin’s stated public declarations on the subject. Is ‘change’ just a word? Well, it’s not a noun. Or should there be some action to it??Let’s not be naive and put all our hopes into a Messiah ideal. That’s the spectator’s position. It’s too easy and will not yield change. What brings change in corrupt policies and geopolitical power structures is PEOPLE who are both as well-informed… as they are active.
Patrick James Henningsen at 15:37 on 26 January
Excuse me but “a black man in the White House being served by white people”… be carefull there- you are nearly over the line with that comment.Last time I checked, in a democracy, it’s the President who SERVES the people. Don’t forget that. And he serves everyone, black, white, brown, old, young. If Obama does not produce, he will be judged as harshly as Bush by his critics. That’s reality.People are easily blinded by false paradigms like Left vs Right, Democrat vs Republican, Labour vs Conservative etc. We are programmed to think in these dialectics. They are manipulative and distract people from seeing the real framework in which they live. The President does not run the affairs of the country or the world. He takes his orders from men more powerful than he. Only the PEOPLE can guarrantee their liberty and freedoms.
Brian Viziondanz at 20:29 on 26 January
maybe, but it is an interesting metaphor as to how much change has already taken place.personally, i see only one race – the human race and that any acknowledgement is a form of of racial difference is racism
Sirius Lee at 00:08 on 27 January
here is a statement of change,, imagine the words,, ‘and all the armies around the world will now deploy all resources to teh needs of the earth and people, all technology will be utilised to rebuild africa,, providing peacefull,, non uniformed directive for the benefits of the human race’.. nice words,, that is change,, not words like ‘ we will continue the war on terror, but more humanely’ hahahah, come on brian,, taste the truth of reality,, metaphore’s are for philosphers, this world requirs direct action. what change is there really, when there are africans in control of africa sponsored by the whiteman at great costs to protect western interests in natural resources.. the same story again perhaps?? Bit like arnie in california, an actor in charge of tha 4th largest economy in the world
Patrick James Henningsen at 01:35 on 27 January
Today’s Guardian: “The Obama administration warned the US public yesterday to brace itself for an increase in American casualties as it prepares to step up the fight against al-Qaida in Pakistan”… that could’ve easily been said by Bush, but because it’s Obama then…It hurts to read news like that.The question we all must ask ourselves is life a spectator sport or will we get involved in the issues of the day? No matter WHO is President. It matters not to me, my remit was written long before Barrack came on the scene.
Patrick James Henningsen at 01:38 on 27 January
Also from today’s Guardian: “The Obama administration is to double the number of US troops in Afghanistan to 60,000 and when asked in a television interview if the US public should expect more American casualties, Biden said: “I hate to say it, but yes, I think there will be. There will be an uptick.”I wish I was making this stuff up. Really, I do:(
Sirius Lee at 01:41 on 27 January
the three thronged attack begins, people need to be on their toes in the next three months3,000 tonnes,, has just been sent to israel,, they are planning the biggest invasion anyone has seen in our generation,, be aware,,,the storm hasnt even started yet!!
Lisa Inti at 11:29 on 27 January
Thanks to Sirius Lee and Patrick for your words. I also think the analogy Aviva made is very apt: sheep being taken to slaughter thinking they’re going for a nice ride. I don’t think that thinking positively about Obama is going to make positive things happen, Brian. I also disagree when you say that people focus too much on negativity – I personally see most people as asleep and focused on lies..and it’s sort of understandable, because to see atrocities that occur over and over is difficult. But blocking out the negative is a lack of respect in my opinion. Personally, I don’t wish for my life to be guided by either hope or despair because I know both can be deceptive. I think there is a great difference between living positively and only seeing the positive.
Lisa Inti at 11:31 on 27 January
If you wish to support Obama, Brian, that is, of course, your choice. But keep in mind you have just produced a video promoting him and promoting that to all of us. And you have not even given real reasons or evidence as to why you think he is worth supporting beyond the “we must think positively” line.
Brian Viziondanz at 19:01 on 27 January
the video is not promoting him, it is questioning him as the whether is for real or not, and just for the record again i will say that i as asked to edit this, the message is not mine although i have to say i do have the same questionmy discipline is to be positive or neutral, if i can’t be positive i will at the least be neutralnegativity is the cancer and aids of the psyche

i give everyone a chance, big or small, i believe in the sincerety of every human being even though they often fall short as i do too
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Lisa Inti at 20:26 on 27 January
So you think we should all be positive or neutral about the thousands slaughtered and tortured, about the way the earth is treated, about the continual erosion of civil liberties and ongoing enslavement of minds and bodies???
Brian Viziondanz at 21:03 on 27 January
yesnegativity only feeds the monsterits a big picture, the individual situations are a reflection of the state of the collective global psyche.
Paul Maple at 21:29 on 27 January
fire feeds fire – fear feeds fear – only water can put the fire out (read from that what u will) – i mean to say that we should take a positive stance as i believe the alternative can not produce any lasting effect that can be beneficial to us in the long run – imho 🙂
Lisa Inti at 22:43 on 27 January
Ok, Paul first – i agree that emotions can spread from one to another. However, I was not talking of emotions…I am talking about recognising the positive and negative in life in their completeness and not ignoring one or the other. There is some evidence to support the theory that positive thinking brings positive changes, but there is also some to the contrary. There has been hope and support of many leaders and “saviours” in his-story and many of them have not fulfilled peoples’ hopes and dreams. Brian, I think you are probably seeing things on a deeper level and you may have a point that negativity feeds the monster but I only agree with that in terms of feelings, not in what you see. I think overall people ignore negativity but the overall feeling may well be negative despite efforts to numb and dull pain. I sometimes wonder if it is the inability to face evil, darkness, negativity, whatever you want to call it, that keeps us bound in the state we are in.
Brian Viziondanz at 23:26 on 27 January
you assuming that positive and negative weigh the same, positivity is presence whereas negativity is absence, have ever tried to take a flash photo of a shadow?if you walk down the street frowning what response do you get, if you walk down the street smiling, how different is that?this is turning out to be a very interesting conversation and a very important conversation for the future of our global culture.

we have the power right here right now to send ripples of positivity or negativity into this world, like a pebble thrown in a pond.

we can send out a ripple of the kind of energy the creates a smile or one that feeds the fear that people are already lost in.

war and peace begins right here right now with you and me

“every single raindrop entering the ocean , becomes the ocean”
Social Acupuncture
http://www.infinitepossibility.org/sa

Lisa Inti at 06:07 on 28 January
I agree that positivity is presence and negativity is absence, but I cannot discuss them in terms of weight. As to whether or not they have equal value in this dimension or any other, I don’t know either!
And I agree that on the whole if I smile I am more likely to get a smile back and if I frown a frown back. However, I also think that to give support and positive energy to what is negative does not necessarily bring about a positive state. To bring us back to the subject of Obama, I want to recognise what are lies and negative and not support them. If there is good in him, then I want to be able to recognise that too and support it.
Brian Viziondanz at 11:14 on 28 January
i look into the light and know that light eclipses darknessthe light wins – i cheated, i read the last page.no matter what dramas play out here during our evolutionary journey

obama is a product of the times we live in, not a hippy or a peacenik. he has to deal with real issues , whether we like it or not, the world geopolitical situation is a time bomb and it has to be disarmed with great care and awareness of all the issues.

a job i wouldn’t take on cos i like a quiet life

the way he interacts with his family says it all for me – that
consistent body language cannot be faked

russia just made an announcement that they will not be deploying
missiles near stalingrad as they had intended to because of the new climate in washington

our focus need to be on the light, this will increase its presence in our personal lives an the world at large
🙂

King King at 15:52 on 28 January
I am not too sure, judging by some of the comments that I have seen here, (a good number of which I am fully in concert with and am inclined towards myself) whether Len’s lyrics have actually penetrated, so I now post them below for your perusal and forensic analysis: Once you have done so I welcome and will engage with all comers on meaning, intent, content etc.Lyrics of
Obama The New American Zeitgeist: Written by Len Folkes, produced by Len Folkes and David Amos and sung By Amara:
“OBAMA
Humanity’s right to opportunity
Comes from the enterprising spirit of justice
Obama, Obama are you the new American Zeitgeist?
You want to change America
From Rulership to Leadership,
No longer hegemonic or demonic but democratic
You know what Obama, We the world can live with that!
Change is preparation for the new
When the present is overwhelmed by all it’s dying
You say you will change America
From Rulership to Leadership
For peace at the price of supremacy
Is not the American way
Prosperi
King King at 15:53 on 28 January
Prosperity at the price of cultural terror
Is not the American way
Obama , Obama are you the new American Zeitgeist?
You promise to put out the new Bush fires
Still intent on destroying any new accords
For global understanding, tolerance and security
One more ghost from the past is a fear too far
And no amount of experience can hide its malevolence
Obama, Obama are you the new American Zeitgeist?
You want to change America
From Rulership to Leadership,
No longer hegemonic or demonic but democratic
You know what Obama, We the world can live with that!
Obama, Obama are you the new American Zeitgeist?
Wealth terror of a few exercising
Life-choices dominion over the majority
Is not the American way
Justice at the price of intolerance and in difference
Is not the American way
Obama, Obama are you the new American Zeitgeist?
You want to change America
From Rulership to Leadership,
No longer hegemonic or demonic but democratic
You know what Obama, We the world can live with that!”Len Folkes
King King at 16:07 on 28 January
I suspect that on reading what it is we are actually saying in the song, it may make a bit of a difference to some. I am convinced that there are those who will want to argue on and I welcome that debate, in fact I am hugely fascinated by the depth of feeling, passion and eloquent expression that has stirred here thus far. The only problem is that there is not very much space allowed by fb to actually address the issues substantively and so Brian and I will be jointly hosting this debate in a place that can sustain more rigorous exposition of the issues raised.We will inform you of venue4forum once we have set it up
Many thanks to Brian the Wizard d‘UZ… ‘cause he just duz duzn’t he? ;-)Alexzanda Gordon-King II
king@mixitME.tv
Spiritus Intus Alit
“The Spirit Nourishes Within”
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Aviva Vividsoundz at 16:42 on 28 January
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10172007/news/regionalnews/dissing_cousins__obama__cheney.htm Obama is related to Dick Cheney and George Bush.. He is one of the bloodlines… there is a lot we don’t know about him. Do your research before getting swept away with this naive emotional outburst about Obama… There is much to be positive about but its best to be fully informed about what is really going on here..
King King at 16:51 on 28 January
hahahahahahahahahahah and hahahahahahahahaha
You gave me a great laugh girl. Do you ever sleep peacefully at night? Do you? I do
Aviva Vividsoundz at 18:21 on 28 January
Did you even check the article… have you done any research, have you checked his speeches where he flounders embarrasingly without autocue… his oath was read with no passion… ?? do you question anything?? mayb you sleep well because of the hypnotic trance you have been seduced into…
King King at 19:24 on 28 January
Yes I checked the article in fact I sent it on to a number of friends and we had a good laugh about it.Let me tell you why I sleep well at night.I am not on internet conspiracy websites exchanging the next piece of the “make it up as you go” matrix/lizardWorldOrder theory of life, on earth. and last but by no means least(ard) I love to laugh at stupidity and I have a really hypnotic, seductive love for life….

Come back now Aviva. Your turn… You are IT.

Kin…

Brian Viziondanz at 20:02 on 28 January
aviva, i have to say that i am surprised by the reactions to this video and to the whole issue of obama’s election, but i believe that this is becoming a very important conversation – airing these issues/concerns.i totally understand why you and others would feel this way after all of the bullshit that has taken place behind the scenes and on the stage in americaat some point we, the global culture needs to come together and pull together in creating a better world.

this is not going to happen from the inside of an “alternative” bubble.

there are zillions of people out there, all kinds of people , the very fact that obama is in the whitehouse whether installed or elected is a very big statement about the shift in the american culture.

as far as him being related to cheney or anyone else is by the way – in america the whole culture was seeded by a few wooden boats full of people from europe and i know what they were up to during that long voyage and those nights without tv 😉

Aviva Vividsoundz at 20:40 on 28 January
I’m suprised really at you Brian who have been promoting “our new world order is Love” for years… did you ever have any idea what the real “new world order ” really is?.. Have you done any research…? BO
has mentioned the new world order.
how much footage of obama have you watched? how much do you know about who is in his cabinet?
I suppose the fact that he was funded by Zionists and his chief of staff is the son of a zionist terrorist is also by the by…Rahm Emanuel is his name – google it… http://www.bollyn.info/home/articles/polphil/rahm-emanuel-and-barack-obama/…joe biden is another zionist – I suppose you also support what Israel has done to Gaza? … Obama and Biden or Osama Bin Laden? its all too uncanny… unless your caught in the hypnotic trance of vacuous words of hope… There is hope but it lies within the spiritual transformation we are going through and surrender to the Divine power that lies within us… Obama just isn’t that light..
Aviva Vividsoundz at 20:49 on 28 January
King Kong I thought this was a space for intelligent debate… this is not what you are demonstating in your low witted personal attack..

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ing we can ever know is that we don’t know, as soon as we think we know, we are deluded.
“light is returning, even in our darkest hour NO ONE can hold back the dawn”
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King at 08:46, on 29 January
A D D made a comment on a video of you: (A D D at) 20:49, on 28 January.in this place:”King Kong I thought this was a space for intelligent debate… this is not what you are demonstrating in your low witted personal attack..”———@———–I would like to deconstruct your statement above Aviva… But first let me ask you What do I and Obama have in common? Why would you go there my dear?

I tell you what: I have had a flood of mail hit my inbox, and they have not all been from outraged blacks, but whites as well, people who take extreme exception to your (in the words of one writer) “Racist contortion” of my name and “the unacceptable connotations associated with such vile insidious epithets”. I chose this particular lady’s email to illustrate a point here because I do not know her personally (when I looked at her profile she is a white woman like you) and she wanted to apologise for you and dissociate herself

King at 08:47, on 29 January
from your “scurrilous racial attack”. I thank you for your very gracious note to me Lady …. ??? (Please step forward and take a bow up here. I would be so gratified if you would join us in our new forum) Strangely enough; I don’t really think that A D D was being racist with that particular barb. I think she was being what she accused me of not having… Witty 😉 Do you get it?
Do you get it?
That being said, what I would like to task A D D on is the following statements she made yesterday at: (A D D at) 20:40, on 28 January.in this place:
“I’m suprised really at you Brian who have been promoting “our new world order is Love” for years… did you ever have any idea what the real “new world order ” really is?.. Have you done any research…? BO
has mentioned the new world order.
how much footage of obama have you watched? how much do you know about who is in his
cabinet?


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My friends at the is point of trying to post my response to ADD I was blocked from any further participation in thsi debate by some faceless facebook functionary and have been barred by them from any ability to post further in this debate. The establishment of this feed was inspired by my outrage of their sumary ability to prevent me from participating in a deabate on a video tha I was principally responsible for getting made in the first  place.

I will now post the full response that I was prohibited form posting on facebook. It’s inclusion here does skewer, somewhat the response that illicited from my good and personal friend Brian but I think the conversation survived very well and trhived without me as you will see. (piekePeek;-) hahahahaahahaha enjoy

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Kin…

King King at 09:00, on 29 January.

Aviva made a comment on a video of you: (Aviva Davidson at)  20:49, on 28 January.in this place:

“King Kong I thought this was a space for intelligent debate… this is not what you are demonstrating in your low witted personal attack..”

———@———–

I would like to deconstruct your statement above Aviva… But first let me ask you What do I and Obama have in common?  Why would you go there my dear?

I tell you what: I have had a flood of mail hit my inbox, and they have not all been from outraged blacks, but whites as well,  people who take  extreme exception to your  (in the words of one writer) “Racist contortion”  of my name and “the unacceptable connotations associated with such vile insidious epithets”.  I chose this particular lady’s email to illustrate a point here  because I do not know her personally (when I looked at her profile she is a white woman like you) and she wanted to apologise for you and dissociate herself from your “scurrilous racial attack”. I thank you for your very gracious note to me Lady …. ??? (Please step forward and take a bow up here. I would be so gratified if you would join us in our new forum) Strangely enough; I don’t really think that Aviva was being racist with that particular barb. I think she was being what she accused me of not having… Witty 😉 Do you get it?

Do you get it?

That being said, what I would like to task Aviva on is the following statements she made yesterday at: (Aviva Davidson at)  20:40, on 28 January.in this place:

“I’m suprised really at you Brian who have been promoting “our new world order is Love” for years… did you ever have any idea what the real “new world order ” really is?.. Have you done any research…? BO
has mentioned the new world order.
how much footage of obama have you watched? how much do you know about who is in his cabinet?
I suppose the fact that he was funded by Zionists and his chief of staff is the son of a zionist terrorist is also by the by…Rahm Emanuel is his name – google it… http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http://www.bollyn.info%2Fhome%2Farticles%2Fpolphil%2Frahm-emanuel-and-barack-obama%2F

…joe biden is another zionist – I suppose you also support what Israel has done to Gaza? … Obama and Biden or Osama Bin Laden? its all too uncanny… unless your caught in the hypnotic trance of vacuous words of hope… There is hope but it lies within the spiritual transformation we are going through and surrender to the Divine power that lies within us… Obama just isn’t that light..”

WOW! YOU ACTUALLY SAID AND MEANT TO GIVE MEANING TO:

“Obama and Biden or Osama Bin Laden? its all too uncanny”

I await further elucidation with eager  anticipation my dear.

I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHERE SUCH TRENCHANT HOSTILITY, HATRED AND VITRIOL COMES FROM.

I HAVE NOTHING BUT LOVE FOR YOU MY SISTER….  Breath in……. Now Breathe Out…. Now let us talk calmly and rationally.


Alexzanda Gordon-King

Spiritus…

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Brian Viziondanz at 09:04, on 29 January
Brian Viziondanz at 9:03am January 29
king, i don’t get your point herewe are debating a very important issue, getting personal is counter productive in holding a meaningful debate.its always interesting to observe our emotional responses in these exchanges, but it is more productive in finding a way forward to confine these responses to observation”there is no good guy or bad guy, there is just you and me and we just disagree” … sometimes

debate is a path across disagreement to a point of shared agreement – ideally

onwards towards our healed world culture …………
🙂

L D G at 09:29, on 29 January
Whats going on here?….. I have just scanned this page and i am not happy at the sense of misunderstanding which cant be ignored! This is a pity so early on in proceedings.He who is without sin caste the first stone.I will put on my attention to detail hat, and read properly what has been said here, and then i will contribute when/if i can. But i must say Barrack doesn’t really need to ‘do anything wrong’ because people are fighting over him already!!!!Some people (not necessarily on this page) are already condemning the world to doom and gloom and those people are misguided or should be ashamed.
Brian Viziondanz at 10:46, on 29 January
listra, i welcome your input here, I have always found your comments refreshing.this video has opened a Pandora’s box, the responses are very much a fractal of the greater conversation that is taking place globally.its very interesting to me that when we went out on the streets to get some footage to complete this video, there was incredible enthusiasm and support for obama, yet here on facebook there is a surprising amount of cynicism and some extremely sinister conclusions..
P J H at 13:07, on 29 January
Lisa said, “Some people… are already condemning the world to doom and gloom”.I was raising hell about Bush Jr getting through on fraud in 2000, and that’s more or less what people were saying to me at that time. “Don’t be so negative, give Bush a chance!” At the time, my problem with Bush wasn’t only that he didn’t win on votes, it was that I knew he was elevated, backed and owned by the transnational elite. He was also devoid of specifics on policy. I saw a dark time beginning. My concern about the packaging of Obama are the same. As an American, I can tell you all that Politicians will only carry out just policies WHEN THE PEOPLE DEMAND IT. If the people hold back and put their “Faith” in a leader, no constructive ‘change’ will take place. History has proven that over and over, and over. We are naive to think that somehow, this will be different.I believe that the Media backed by the old elite has successfully transformed all the hate we had for Bush- into ‘Love’ for Obama.
P J H at 13:16, on 29 January
I believe that the Media backed by the old elite has successfully transformed all the hate we had for Bush- into ‘Love’ for Obama… a very smooth transition.The War policies will remain the same- this has already been proven by Monday’s airstrikes in Pakistan which killed more innocent people. VP Biden announces a doubling of troops in Afghanistan. The subject of a Military Draft is also back on table in the US, something EVEN Bush could never push through, but Obama… could do it. On the economic front, Obama’s gov’t will continue moving Trillions in capital to the top investment banks through the ‘bailout’ system.By giving the Executive and Big Government more power and control, will not lessen the problems we face, but make them progressively worse.This is not ‘gloom and doom’ as some feel, this is real life. We either face it, face real issues, learn these issues… or be doomed to repeat the misgivings and political failures of past generations and societies.
Brian Viziondanz at 13:17, on 29 January
the media has transformed our hate to love
hmmmm i like that,
the media working for a better world at lastwe can never have too much love in the world patrickyou want to generate more hate?
P J H at 13:30, on 29 January
If the Media are providing our ‘Love’ then we are all in deep, deep trouble. This is what was illustrated clearly in the book 1984, and made reality with China ‘love’ of Mao in the 50’s and 60’s(and still to this day, you will see his portrait in some people’s houses in China), or ‘love’ of Lenin in the USSR(I’ve seen his picture in our homes too).The media was started as a trusted source to inform citizens, now it has grown into power dispenser of different forms of corporate propaganda and is a public programming instrument. It can make us feel ‘afraid’ and make us feel ‘good’. If the public is truly aware and informed, then will not need big media to be happy. In the case of the Obama phenomenon, it appears we are, once again, being manipulated into complacency… which is exactly where our masters want us to stay.Q: If Odama escalates the war in Central Asia, will we go out and oppose Obama? Or will we stay at home?
Brian Viziondanz at 14:01, on 29 January
love is love
and love forges its own path
i stand FOR peace
and will alwayspeace does not come from fear, mistrust and hate
these are the ingredients for more war.the war in the east is already in motion
thats reality
the way to diffuse it is to build the love, eclipse the mistrust that has led to this war
🙂
P J H at 14:32, on 29 January
Well, I believe that LOVE cannot be ‘built’ or increased. Love is the one inherent truth in our Universe. It is our human nature to love and love is revealed in our feelings and expressed in how we treat each other in the world. But when faced with bullying like that which has become so part and parcel with the Anglo-American empire- when a wedding party in Pakistan is rained upon by a 1000lb bomb for an American fighter jet, then I am forced to take the side of humanity and reject this gross exercise of pure State-terror carried out in my country’s name.If Bush… or Obama, is leading these operations and carrying on with business as usual, inflicting death and suffering on innocent defenseless people… then they should know that I will stand for humanity first, and not for their policies. I give even Obama NO quarter on such issues. They’ve crossed the line and they know it.We live in an age of great deception. Seeing through well constructed illusions is the challenge…
L D G at 14:33, on 29 January
What is happening is all part of the evolution of human consciousness patrick. if you look at the SECRET history of the world, you might have a better idea about from where human consciousness has emanated, and why it is at the stage it is now,and, indeed, where it is going. Thank goodness many more people are are refusing to be told what to think. Perhaps you have been manipulated beyond reason my friend.Most of us know what you know regarding the political sittuation, but refuse to allow the machinery you have described above, set our agenda for personal growth.I know there is little i can change physically , but we set the tone for our reality when we entertain deeply entrenched bitterness and fail to find a solution to the perceived problem.
L D G at 14:38, on 29 January
Oh Patrick …..my name is Listra, not lisa. Taken from the Greek play by Aristophanes called Lysistrata.
P J H at 14:41, on 29 January
It’s easy for us to talk high-mindedly about ‘world conscioussness’ and higher virbrational states, but such concepts are not a luxury to a families who has been wiped out in Gaza, Afghanistan or Iraq.
L D G at 14:53, on 29 January
You can please all of the people some of the time, some of the people all of the time ,but not all of the people all of the time.I see this very old adage is very much in evidence on this page.It’s a good thing we have freedom of speech in this country. If this was the middle east, Pakistan things might be different. Some people forget their blessings whilst pretending they see no benefit in their lives.
P J H at 14:58, on 29 January
Listra,Be aware, you have NO IDEA what I ‘know’ or don’t know about this world and this universe. Nor would you know what history(or histories) I am schooled in, or not. And I won’t pretend to be able to illustrate this here.But you should know that my intentions are pure. I cannot speak for anyone but myself, but I am committed- for life, to defend those who are being abused, attacked, and enslaved. I have taken that road in life because I realised a long time ago that there is a real shortage of people will not stand up or help those who are under the hammer of dominance. Like it or not, we all fund and implicitly support our War machines, because we feel ‘helpless’. Obama, only a week in, and the death toll has begun.Sadly, the US, UK and Israel do not feel bound by the rule of law and only enforce it when it’s in their own material interest. To them, the UN is a tool which they ignore if is runs counter to their interests, or encourage if it helps their interest. Why??
L D G at 15:03, on 29 January
You still state the obvious.
L D G at 15:04, on 29 January
My name might be Listra but i do not see you as my adversary my friend chill.
L D G at 15:05, on 29 January
I’m off now …it’s been great. 🙂
P J H at 15:07, on 29 January
Listra, “freedom of speech in our country… not in the Middle East”…I actually just got back from the Middle East and in some countries like Lebanon, they have more ‘freedom of speech’ that in the UK, or the US. They don’t need to ask the police for ‘permission’ to demonstrate. In Saudi Arabia, I did not need to take off my belt, shoes and empty my rucksack when going through airports, but I had to do this many times in the US. Police to not stop and search random people on the streets, but in the UK they do now.We are not in an Ivory tower here, that’s another illusion.The difference between the so called Third World and here, is that we have been well-trained to love our shackles, and we even evangelise ‘how free we are’. Freedom takes many forms, but we can easily confuse ‘freedom’ with a controled choice or false paradigm. You would be surprised how many we don’t have, that other do have.
L J at 11:27, on 30 January
Intresting converstaion here mind if I join in? The election of President Obama needs to be seen as the beginning of the end of 500 years of white supremacist domination. I the context of the history of historical and contemporary oppression of Africans world wide it represents a significant but not decisive break through. As Africans we celebrate his election because we understand that this represents progress. We may yet be dissapointed but as a result of our long march to freedon we celebrate these historic milestones.I think President Obama will make progressive changes and although he may not have intended to fundementally change the golbal economic order that gorges itself on profits and pain of the military/prison industrial complex the current collapse of the bloated and exploitative financial system is unleashing a democratic demand for social and economic justice.
L D G at 11:28, on 30 January
Fantastic!!!!!
L D G at 11:32, on 30 January
Fantastic that another opinion has been expressed.
L J at 11:37, on 30 January
If the hand of history is truly on his shoulder he may just have the courage to do some reaaly great thing taking advantage of the window that is opening uo before us. Nevertheless the extent to which democracises and peoples are becoming increasing energised is obvious in Europe , US and throught the world. People are rightly angy and very afraid overlay this money trouble with our enviromental crisis and now, at this time is an opportunity to press for real and radical change. I believe that President Obama is a progreesive force for change and in so far as he introduces progressive policies he should be supported, where he does not or where he seeks to continue the project of American imperialsim he should and will be condemned.Whatever the outcome the requirement of promoting a positive attitude will remain critical. We must challenge injustice , racism , poverty and enviromental industrial vandalism. We must also educate and combat ignorance ar we run the risk of consuming al
Brian Viziondanz at 11:44, on 30 January
i just want to say that i am loving the way this conversation is unfolding and bringing out concerns and fears legitimate or not.fear exists to ensure that we reach our destination safely, not to stop us.people are not bad because they are afraid, we are all afraid in some areas of our lives and there is innocence and integrity in acknowledging these fears.it would be useful i believe to run a sieve through this thread and isolate the essence, the fundamental issues that are being didiscussed, if I have the time later, I will do that, but if someone else wants to take that on, that would be great cos I am really busy.

I am going to be shooting a video interview with the guys who were the visionaries behind this video over the weekend
🙂

L D G at 11:45, on 30 January
Can’t wait!!
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